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I'm trying to figure out this song. I'm watching a video of the guitarists just playing it and the progression looks to go (F - A - A# - C). That sounds right to me but they're all major chords, and from the theory I've learned, that A wouldn't belong in the key of F, shouldn't it be an A minor? I think I'm seeing and hearing it right though. I was just curious if this is one of those breaking the "rules" scenarios in music. Just made got me thinking, thanks for any help.

Oh here's the link to the video i'm watching on youtube for reference. Thanks again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K16f1ZLBoqc

asked 07 Jul '11, 02:43

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You are right. The song is in the key of F major and therefore the chords in that key would be F Gm Am Bb C Dm Em7b5 (note the chord should be written 'Bb' and not 'A#', will need a different thread to explain that one!) . However music is all about creating a picture of sound. Sometimes by adding notes or chords that are not in the key of the song give a distinctive colour or sound to the song. The Beatles did it to good effect as do a lot of other bands. Theory rules are there as a guide but are not set in stone so don't be afraid to step out and experiment, remember there are no 'Music Police' out there so do as you please and if it sounds good (to you) then play it!! Personally I love adding that major 3rd chord (as opposed to a minor) it really gives a lift in the song - but thats only my opinion!

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answered 07 Jul '11, 07:06

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In my experience it's very difficult to break the rules in music. If there is a melodic or a harmonic movement that occurs in a song, a pop song no less; then there is a virtual guarantee that someone, somewhere, in the four hundred years of development of our harmonic system has done it. And of course, some jerk will bust in and find or create a "theory" to justify why that movement works.

To answer your question: the A in that chord progression is a secondary dominant. I wasn't sure at first, but I checked a couple web sites.

Notes: dominant chords don't always need 7ths. One mistake there steve. The vii chord in a major key is only a m7b5 if you list the other chords as 7th chords. In this case it should be an Edim.

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answered 07 Jul '11, 08:35

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Sorry James - I stand corrected. $teve Zodiac

(07 Jul '11, 11:32) steve zodiac

Sorry to jump you like that.

(07 Jul '11, 13:11) James 1

No problem - the main thing is he got his answer, and I've learnt something new! Regards $teve

(07 Jul '11, 13:15) steve zodiac

So in the song should I play just an A or an A7?

(11 Jul '11, 03:06) The Naytron ...

In that video, I don't remember them playing it as an A7, so I would just play it as A.
Note the notes in the last line: dominant chords don't always need 7ths. I could have added: to be dominant chords.

(11 Jul '11, 12:14) James 1

Then what would the theory be behind it? Sorry to keep going deeper on you James, it's just intriguing. Because if it's in the key of F, they're playing an A7 without the 7th, but an A7 wouldn't be a chord that goes with the key of F normally, right?

(12 Jul '11, 01:51) The Naytron ...

A7 as a secondary dominant is a way to move in the key of F. A7 in this case is the V7/vi (A7 of Dm, five seven of six,). Normally you would expect that V chord to resolve down a fifth, but in this case it doesn't. It does have a sort-of-satisfying step wise movement. "Naming is the source of all particular things" That in mind, secondary dominant is a name for a concept. That makes it a thing; An idea you can manipulate.

(12 Jul '11, 04:29) James 1
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